alliance. These forums have been archived and are now read-only. Currently, the cost to modify an order by a small amount is negligible. It will therefore take up to 90 days (the maximum player order duration) until all player orders fit this new rule. It definitely helps when you have less ISK because 1 or 2 failed orders won't matter when you get the profit from the ones that were filled. This results in Marketing and Wholesale being removed as well. 2015-02-22 19:56:50 UTC, - The graphs below show the data for which modifications were made to unique market orders over the course of 30 days. Note: Modifying an order will reset its duration back to the original. Sure, I can see how margin trading would be very effective if you have sell orders up in backwater systems covering massive amounts of space buying volumes from lazy players. < Margin trade skill > Ability to make potentially risky investments work in your favor. Creating a more equal playing field for market users and handing the advantage back to those who make educated pricing calls is a clear statement of intent in the fight against botting. Each level of skill reduces the percentage of ISK placed in market escrow when entering buy orders. sales taxes and broker fees for the market were implemented, some alterations were made to sales taxes and brokers fees for the market, feel free to head on over to the discussion thread on the EVE Online Forums to take part. The skill's former ability to reduce the amount of ISK placed into escrow when creating a buy order is going to be removed. A skill-based way to lower (but never eliminate) the Relist Charge will also be provided. How important is it? If you have a positive cash flow margin trading is a no-brainer. As mentioned above, a way to reduce the modification fee with a skill is being provided. The existing Margin Trading skill will be changed into Advanced Broker Relations. With these changes, such excessive behavior will quickly lead these market-addicts to bankrupt themselves. The skill's old ability to create a Want-To-Buy order with only partial ISK escrow is removed, so all WTB orders will require 100% escrow to be paid up front. Increasing the modification costs will mean that the strategy of always modifying every order as quickly as possible will quickly become unprofitable. I prefer having at least 50% of the ISK I need to cover in my wallet, but I could probably put that up to 70% or more without too much trouble. Advanced Broker Relations increases that discount by 5 percentage points per level, permitting a discount of 75% at level 5. EVE's open world MMORPG sandbox, renowned among online space games, lets you choose your own path and engage in combat, exploration, industry and much more. Train your racial Industrial skill to IV 2015-02-24 21:30:52 UTC, - Ability to make potentially risky investments work in your favor. Last summer some alterations were made to sales taxes and brokers fees for the market. 2015-02-23 00:04:11 UTC, - The minimum broker fee that can be configured by the structure owner increases from 0% to 1%. Fee to create a new order at price P (this is unchanged):Fee = BR * price, Fee to modify an existing order, changing price from P1 to P2:Fee = max(0, BR (P2 - P1)) + (1 - RD) BR * P2, Note: Both types of fee will have a minimum charge of 100 ISK. For orders placed in an Upwell structure, the Broker Fee is paid to the structure owner instead of being sunk out of the game. Therefore two changes are being made to markets in Upwell structures: Change: Increase the ISK fees that are charged when modifying an order. Currently in EVE, all order prices can be specified to a 0.01 ISK precision, regardless of the magnitude. EVE Forums » EVE Gameplay ... How important do you feel the "Margin Trading" skill is? The only real constraint is the five minute delay before an individual order can be modified, but this is relatively easy to minimize for a trader with many order slots. The resulting amount is added to the increment charge calculated in the first step. It will be replaced with an ability that provides an increasing discount to the Relist Charge. - Therefore the fees do not represent the same true cost compared to NPC stations. I dig it." Important note: Existing orders at the time of this change coming into effect will keep their current pricing. Markets shift and you can use margin trading to have that low buy order sitting there ready for the bottom to fall out at a reduced escrow... More money makes money. Each level of this skill adds 5 percentage points to the standard Relist Discount of 50%. Among these are orders that are being modified hundreds of times, with behavioral patterns that are very likely not human. Note that the second graph is just a zoomed-in version of the first, with the initial "0 modifications" column removed. 2015-02-22 11:23:03 UTC, - Once again, the commitment to fighting botting in all its forms in EVE is absolutely firm, and moving forward with these changes means that the market and the player behavior involved will be closely monitored once these changes are live and in your hands. For reference, this 1% compares to the 3%-5% range that is possible at NPC stations (depending on skills and standings), so player-hosted markets will continue to be the most competitive places to run a trade empire. Further adjustments will be made as necessary, but for now, any open feedback and discussions from the community are welcome as usual, so feel free to head on over to the discussion thread on the EVE Online Forums to take part. 2015-02-24 22:37:10 UTC, - Increase the ISK fees that are charged when modifying an order. The standard Relist Discount on the total price brokerage fee has been set by the SCC at 50%. When the owner receives their 1% fee, they will immediately pay half of it onward to the Secure Commerce Commission. Needless to say, the market and the behaviors of players when these changes go live will be closely monitored. It is also evident that around 2% of orders are modified more than five times. As discussed above, there is a desire to follow some real-world examples in how markets can operate, so this change is heavily influenced by the way that regular stock/commodity markets handle pricing. The costs associated with these orders will not be negatively affected by these changes. 1,112,0001,111,0001,110,0001,109,000...1,002,0001,001,0001,000,000999,900999,800999,700.